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Board of Finance Moves Garage, Roads Projects Forward

Proposals now go back to Board of Selectmen to set referendum questions.

Tuesday night, the Board of Finance moved forward with plans to bring proposed town highway garage and road projects to referendum this spring.

The finance board approved a total of $6 million for major road projects.

Much of the meeting was dominated by the Public Works facility proposed for 325 Commerce Drive, which the finance board voted 5-1 in favor of moving forward at a reduced cost of $5.4 million. 

Last week, the Board of Selectmen voted to bring a proposal to the Board of Finance for up to $5.9 million for the land acquisition, site work and a 20,000 square foot garage building. Monday, Chief Administrative Officer Robert Skinner said the town had received an estimate of $5.5 million bid, build estimate from Borghesi Building and Engineering. 

The meeting lacked the public fireworks of last week's Board of Selectmen meeting when more than 20 residents from the "Griswold Farms" homes above the proposed site spoke against the proposal, saying the site caused safety, environmental and economic concerns and would degrade home values. 

Only three people spoke at the finance board meeting. 

Glenn Arnold of Bart Drive pointed to a cost-benefit analysis posted on the town web site this week that showed the cost of the building over a 50-year period. Taking that number of $6.6 million and adding $1.2 million in administrative costs, that equaled $750 per resident, or over $3,000 for a family of 4, according to Arnold, who also argued the town could look into outsourcing more of its employees and services.  

"This is just to construct it," Arnold said. "We haven't even considered running this Taj Mahal."

Later in the meeting Skinner said the estimated $6.4 million over 50 years was designed to show the contrast of the estimated $13.1 million the firm of Weston and Sampson came up with for the costs during the same time period should vehicles continue to be stored outdoors.

Resident Marianne Burbank also spoke and said many of the Griswold Farms residents who spoke at the Board of Selectmen meeting objecting to the site showed "arrogance." 

"I was troubled by what I felt was arrogance on their part regarding their attitude toward the rest of Canton — that they were somehow special and above us all," Burbank said. 

Resident Kevin Jackson then got up and responded (see attached video for more of their statements.)

Also at the meeting, Skinner presented a slide show on some of the town’s findings with the garage site.

Skinner noted some of the conditions at the current site, the common questions about the garage, some reasons for the site selection and other details. (See attached but note that Skinner said the presentation might be updated with further information).

Officials also addressed the common Barkhamsted question and why that town’s garage was around $2 million.

In addition to a smaller population, smaller facility, fewer employees and fewer miles of roads there are other major differences, Skinner said. The land was flat and the size of the building did not require the $100,000 sprinkler system needed in the Canton facility. There are other differences in the building itself, officials said. 

Canton is also set on features some other towns have not included, such as a wash bay, officials said.

In all, Barkhamsted is a much different and smaller town, officials said. 

"It really isn’t an accurate benchmark," Madigan said. 

Skinner also said the town’s $5.5 million estimate included a $157 per square foot cost for the building itself, which is nearing Barkhamsted’s $125. In addition, the same firm that built that facility is the one that gave the $5.5 million estimate, Skinner said.

Permanent Municipal Building Committee member David Madigan also spoke, stating he felt the Commerce Drive site has many positives, including the intent for it to be industrial, a good distance from homes, planned screening and the way it would sloped down from view and the availability of utilities.

“I’m feeling quite comfortable with this site,” Madigan said, adding that the committee has conducted exhaustive site searches and evaluations. 

Many have pointed out that a 2009 engineering report and grid for sites listed the commerce Drive site lower than several others under consideration. Madigan said in addition to factors later found on those sites, the biggest once with Commerce Driver properties was the mistaken belief that deed restrictions were prohibitive. 

Board of Finance member Mary Tomolonius said she appreciated the work by PMBC, selectmen and others but felt the project’s price tag was still too high and felt the cost of running the facility and potential for growth had not been adequately explored.

“We do not need to spend $6 million of taxpayers’ money for a highway garage,” Tomolonius said.

Other Board of Finance members remained concerned with the amount of debt the town is taking on with the high school track and field project and roofs passed in November and the ones proposed this spring but generally felt the project should move forward.

Several said the town has made progress in lowering the garage proposals over the years, including after a plan to put a $6.75 million project for a facility on 5 Cherry Brook Road was pulled from the ballot last fall.

“I think there’s wide agreement that it needs to be addressed," said BOF member Brian First, adding that voters should get a say. First, however, suggested the finance board take the town’s latest quote of $5.5 million and lower it a little, requiring the town to get a better price or find some additional savings.

While selectmen will set the questions for bonding Tomolonius spoke strongly for separate questions, especially after the roads proposal was also taken off the November ballot since it was packaged with the garage.

If passed on referendum, the proposal would also have to go through the land-use approval process. 

More documents related to the garage search can be found on the town web site.

After the meeting, Public Works Director Robert Martin thanked the boards who have worked to relocate the garage. 

"I would like to thank the boards who have worked so tirelessly on this relocation of the town highway garage," Martin said. "We really need something other than where we are." 

wendy March 21, 2013 at 02:10 pm
He did speak to the lowering of the amount...I don't have the info in front of me, but I know that you can access the recordings of meeting from the town website.
Betty March 21, 2013 at 04:31 pm
Everyone should keep in mind that our roads that are not repaired in time will need to be replaced. The cost to replace our roads will be 4 to 5 times more than repairing them or as much as $72,000,000. to $90,000,000.
Betty March 21, 2013 at 04:36 pm
Regarding lighting for the track and multipurpose field, the approved plan includes all the ground work for the lighting. The light poles will be installed at a later date. Does anyone know the savings of waiting to install the poles and the light bulbs?
Larry Litton March 21, 2013 at 05:14 pm
Betty, no one disagrees that the roads in Canton are in desperate need of repair. That being said, the money for road repairs and the finacing of the garage are seperate issues and should be voted on as such. The selectmen's habit of bundling projects together on the ballet causes problems and needs to stop. If you recall they tried to do the same thing last year with the Cherry Brook site and road repairs and the uproar over that caused them to remove it from the ballet. All that accomplished was pushing back the repairs another year and making an already bad situation worse.
Wyatt March 21, 2013 at 05:34 pm
@Glenn.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that the nearby property values will decline with the new garage? Also, if you are correct, then we would expect property values in the current vicinity of the town garage to increase. Since I live right by the current town garage (and see it as a fine neighbor), I wonder how much my home will increase in value?
Wyatt March 21, 2013 at 05:35 pm
How else would you have a study? All studies include assumptions and speculation - that is the whole point.
Wyatt March 21, 2013 at 05:36 pm
@Jeff. What is the reference to Burlington? I though the comparison was to Barkhamsted, which is much smaller than Canton and has fewer local roads.
Wyatt March 21, 2013 at 05:37 pm
Which sites?
Wyatt March 21, 2013 at 05:38 pm
After living in Canton all these years and now reading the Patch, I don't know why anyone in their right mind would ever want to take any leadership role in this town.
Betty March 21, 2013 at 09:08 pm
Larry,
I was the ONLY person outside the press that attended the BOS meeting when they voted to bundle the town garage and the roads on the November ballot. I spoke and urged them NOT to bundle ballot items. I have lived in Canton for many, many decades and still recall a great deal. Some comments urged people to vote NO on the town garage and roads. The point I was trying to get across was that I would rather pay $18 million than $90 million for drivable roads.
Larry Litton March 21, 2013 at 09:16 pm
We're on the same page about the roads Betty, let's hope it's a separate ballot issue this time around. I know Mary Thomolonius agrees with us at least on that point!
Betty March 21, 2013 at 11:22 pm
It is unfortunate that the voters were not able to consider ALL big ticket items on one ballot. I can not help but wonder if we would have approved some of the items that we will be paying for for many, many years.
Betty March 21, 2013 at 11:39 pm
I believe the Canton Commerce Center is zoned for Light Industrial uses.
Why do people that bought property near the Canton Commerce Center feel that a town garage would have more of a negative impact than other light industrial uses that could possibly be built there?
Betty March 21, 2013 at 11:44 pm
John, a tremendous number of man (and woman) hours have gone into trying to build a town garage for many, many years. Countless sites have been considered. Do you have any info at your finger tips?
John Fitts (Editor) March 21, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Hi Betty. The town’s web site has more information than I have offhand - http://www.townofcantonct.org/controls/NewsFeed.aspx?FeedID=488
Glenn Arnold March 22, 2013 at 12:37 pm
@Wyatt - I think someone "in their right mind" in a leadership position in any organization should try to promote transparency, accountability, and open communication. We simply don't' have leadership interested in doing that, so that's why so many people question everything.
Glenn Arnold March 22, 2013 at 12:44 pm
@wendy - There was a discussion near the end of the BOF meeting, but unfortunately there was no "method behind the madness." There was no explanation by the BOF on how they came up with $5.4 million. They just said they wanted a number under the 2 other bids and they came up with $5.4 million thinking that, since it was under the 2 bids they should be able to support it as a BOF. I have requested to understand how they came up with $5.4 million. I will share with you and the rest of our town residents what I learn.
Glenn Arnold March 22, 2013 at 12:48 pm
@Wyatt - I plan to get more detailed information early next week on the sites that have been considered up to this point, so rather than rattle off a number of sites that I know off the top of my head without accurate data associated with them, I will share with the public what I learn next week.
Glenn Arnold March 22, 2013 at 01:06 pm
@Wyatt - As long as our town continues to vote along party lines for our local political leadership rather than vote for the candidate who clearly articulates what they will deliver for our town, we will always have a high probability of our local government leadership unaccountable. For LOCAL elections, what would happen if we voted for the candidate based on their platform and what they are going to deliver for our town?...not for the party they represent. It's completely off topic, but I thought I would share my opinion.
wendy March 22, 2013 at 01:09 pm
All the information on all sites considered is already available on the Town website for those who would like to read it. Information goes back many years, but there is a concise document listing them. It was made available last summer/fall, along with the information detailing the reasons for the design as proposed. www.townofcanton.org.
wendy March 22, 2013 at 01:10 pm
sorry.
www.townofcantonct.org
Glenn Arnold March 22, 2013 at 01:39 pm
@wendy - You are correct that the considered sites are on the town web site. Unfortunately, there is no quantitative data backing up the complete disqualification of the other sites. Many people are also looking for the list of "mission critical" capabilities vs. the "nice to have" ones. If you see this on the web site, please let me know, so we can point it out to our town residents.
Wyatt March 22, 2013 at 01:57 pm
I would love to hear the answer to that. I just don't see the difference between a town garage and a light industrial use.
I live by the current town garage and walk by it nearly every day in nice weather, and I never thought of it as a negative in my neighborhood.
Wyatt March 22, 2013 at 01:59 pm
What more accountability do you want? Elections not enough?
What more communication and transparency do you want? Public hearings, news articles, minutes and agendas online, etc not enough? We elect a Board to run this town - not cater to every gripe of every citizen.
Larry Litton March 22, 2013 at 05:42 pm
Communication and transparency from our selectmen should include open discussion involving as much of the community as possible. Town meetings and our public hearings allow us to speak, but none I've attended include question and answer opportunities. As an example, Kevin Case has done a nice job the last couple of years going out into the community and giving all the residents of Canton the opportunity to discuss and question the details of his budgets and initiatives BEFORE they go in to effect. Because we are a small town I don't see why the selectmen couldn't do the same. Obviously this isn't realistic for every issue, but wouldn't it be great for issues like the town garage that will clearly have large impacts on our taxes? I know I would appreciate that opportunity...
wendy March 22, 2013 at 06:14 pm
@Glenn and anyone else who is interested. The Permanent Municipal Building Committee minutes describe what was considered and why. They also presented a public hearing last year, as to how they arrived at the plan and design. Those meeting minutes are available.....and the questions that the townspeople who attended asked.
wendy March 22, 2013 at 07:59 pm
Most of the questions that have been asked here, have been discussed and answered already at various town meetings. The link above is a great place to start and then you can branch out from there. I understand that some people may not have attended the meetings discussing the Town garage before the past few weeks, but there have been countless meetings detailing the information. I believe there is transparency. But if they don't discuss the one item you want discussed at the meeting you attend, that doesn't mean that they are hiding something or whatever else has been discussed here. The Town was ready to go ahead with the referendum question on the Town Garage last fall, but because of an issue with the appraisal coming in higher than acceptable, it was pulled from the ballot (and that is the reason). So.....the information on what the needs were for the garage and building costs and the matrix to decide what parcels the garage would fit on, were discussed with the Townspeople then (and they will be again). I truly don't remember this many accusations flying around back then, so it leads me to believe that it is more than just the price, in my opinion....
Larry Litton March 22, 2013 at 08:55 pm
With all due respect Wendy, if you weren't hearing accusations and objections about the proposed cost of the garage last fall, then you weren't listening. Every person I discussed it with thought the cost of the proposal was ridiculous, including the price that would have been paid for the land. While the lower valuation on the property was indeed why it was pulled from the ballot, there is no way it would have passed anyway. As to whether there are concerns other than the price, I for one absolutely have other issues with the project, but the price tag is by far my biggest reason for objection.
Betty March 23, 2013 at 05:46 pm
Thank you John.
This has been going on for many, many years, I think about half my lifetime. It is unfortunate that so many volunteer hours have been spent without actually resulting in a new garage.
Thomas March 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Very well put Glenn.

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